Watch: Investing in Uncertain Times: Why a Reset in Valuations Could be Liberating for Founders

Ben Bergman

Ben Bergman is the newsroom's senior finance reporter. Previously he was a senior business reporter and host at KPCC, a senior producer at Gimlet Media, a producer at NPR's Morning Edition, and produced two investigative documentaries for KCET. He has been a frequent on-air contributor to business coverage on NPR and Marketplace and has written for The New York Times and Columbia Journalism Review. Ben was a 2017-2018 Knight-Bagehot Fellow in Economic and Business Journalism at Columbia Business School. In his free time, he enjoys skiing, playing poker, and cheering on The Seattle Seahawks.

Watch: Investing in Uncertain Times: Why a Reset in Valuations Could be Liberating for Founders

A decade-long run-up in startup valuations that came to a screeching halt after the novel coronavirus froze much of the worldwide economy last month could have a silver lining for company founders.

"They can build great businesses but don't have to be chasing a growth rate," said Carter Reum, co-founder of M13. "It can be liberating. We've lived in a world the past few years where an artificially high valuation was nothing more than a vanity mark."


Reum spoke in a dot.LA webinar on the state of investing along with Kara Nortman, a partner at L.A.'s largest venture firm, Upfront Ventures.

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Both invest heavily in consumer companies and pointed out that a softening of direct-to-consumer companies began last year after well-documented stumbles at WeWork, Caspar, and other brands.

"There was a lot of shame around the resets in valuations and now I think that's gone," Nortman said. "I've seen that be liberating for founders."

Reum said he is excited to be able to invest in businesses he sees long-term potential in, but could not justify the lofty valuations they demanded from investors. He says now VCs and founders alike can focus more on creating sustainable companies.

"Whereas growth-at-all-costs was really cool that last few years, the coolest thing going forward is controlled growth-with-profitability," he said.

Upfront and M13 are still deploying capital but knowing their next fund could be harder to raise they are being more conservative. Nortman says Upfront is preferring to write checks in the $3 to $4 million range rather than the $10 million sums it would deploy before the crisis out of its sixth series-A fund. The firm normally invests in one new company a month, a pace that has continued.

"Things are still moving at Upfront," she said, but also added: "There's still a big question about how to price things and how to invest in people you've never met."

Nortman said even after the virus subsides there will be less travel and perhaps fewer gatherings. Asked whether her firm was still planning to host the Upfront Summit, a splashy annual conference that brings over a thousand investors and founders to L.A. each winter, Nortman said to stay tuned.

"We view the Upfront Summit as a permanent endeavor and an important element to the community," she said.

"Everyone just breathed a sigh of relief," laughed Reum.

Speakers Include:

  • Kara Nortman, partner at Upfront Ventures
  • Carter Reum, partner and co-founder of M13
  • Ben Bergman, senior reporter at dot.LA

    Kara Nortman is a partner at Upfront Ventures

    ​Kara Nortman, Partner at Upfront Ventures 

    Kara is a Partner at Upfront Ventures, the largest venture capital firm based in Los Angeles. Some of her notable investments include Parachute Home, The Wing, Fleetsmith, Stem, Territory, Strive, and Qordoba. Before Upfront, Kara co-founded the children's e-commerce company Moonfrye and also spent seven years at IAC where she co-headed the M&A group and acted as the Senior Vice President and General Manager of Urbanspoon and Citysearch. During her tenure at IAC she oversaw the initial investment in Tinder. Earlier in her career, she also spent time at Morgan Stanley, Microsoft, and Battery Ventures. She received her AB in Politics from Princeton University and her MBA from Stanford University. Kara is also a founding member of All Raise, a VC-led group dedicated to increased diversity in funders and founders and serves as an advisor to the Women's National Soccer Team Players Association. Kara resides in Los Angeles with her husband and three daughters. @upfrontvc

    Carter Reum is a partner and cofounder of M13.

    Carter Reum is an Investor, Entrepreneur and Author 

    Carter and his brother Courtney are Partners and Co-Founders of M13, a full-service venture engine with offices in Los Angeles, New York and San Francisco. M13 executes a "founders first" focus to build and scale leading consumer technology companies. M13's holdco model consists of a $200M consumer tech fund, active support of its founding teams and a launchpad brand studio that incubates ideas into sustainable companies with partners such as P&G Ventures. With more than 80 direct investments and 16 exits, M13's prior investments total over $137B in enterprise value and includes Lyft, Pinterest, Ring, Daily Harvest, FabFitFun, Rothy's and more. The brothers began their careers at Goldman Sachs before launching their first company, VEEV Spirits, one of the fastest-growing independent brands and an early leader in sustainability and wellness. Carter is active in culture and arts as a member of the LACMA Board of Trustees, the digital advisory of The Metropolitan Museum of Art and an Executive in Residence for the City of Los Angeles. @M13Company

    Ben Bergman is dot.LA's senior reporter, covering venture capital.

    Ben Bergman, Senior Reporter at dot.LA 

    Ben Bergman is dot.LA's senior reporter, covering venture capital. Previously he was a senior reporter/host at KPCC, a producer at Gimlet Media and NPR and produced two investigative documentaries for KCET. He has been a frequent on-air contributor to NPR and Marketplace and has written for The New York Times. Bergman was a 2017-2018 Knight-Bagehot Fellow in Economic and Business Journalism at Columbia Business School. He enjoys skiing, playing poker, and cheering on The Seattle Seahawks. @thebenbergman

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    Here’s How LA’s Tech Scene Is Reacting to the SVB Collapse

    Decerry Donato

    Decerry Donato is a reporter at dot.LA. Prior to that, she was an editorial fellow at the company. Decerry received her bachelor's degree in literary journalism from the University of California, Irvine. She continues to write stories to inform the community about issues or events that take place in the L.A. area. On the weekends, she can be found hiking in the Angeles National forest or sifting through racks at your local thrift store.

    Here’s How LA’s Tech Scene Is Reacting to the SVB Collapse

    The collapse of the Silicon Valley Bank (SVB) has left many in sheer panic, including the tech industry, which relies on the bank’s financing.

    Since the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC) has taken control of the bank’s deposits, nearly half of those U.S. venture-backed tech companies pulled deposits out of the bank.

    The uncertainty of the situation left the majority of people with unanswered questions, so they took their concerns and thoughts to Twitter.

    Here's how SoCal is reacting to the news:
















    The SoCal Companies Affected By the Fall of Silicon Valley Bank

    Samson Amore

    Samson Amore is a reporter for dot.LA. He holds a degree in journalism from Emerson College and previously covered technology and entertainment for TheWrap and reported on the SoCal startup scene for the Los Angeles Business Journal. Send tips or pitches to samsonamore@dot.la and find him on Twitter @Samsonamore.

    The SoCal Companies Affected By the Fall of Silicon Valley Bank
    An event held by SVB Private, an arm of Silicon Valley Bank, in March. (Cameron Rice)

    The shockwaves fromSilicon Valley Bank’s (SVB) unexpected shutdown are rattling the tech industry writ large. In Southern California, SVB invested in several local tech companies through its SVB Capital venture arm.

    Though the bank’s VC arm won’t be able to conduct future investments, founders that do have money tied up with the company in the form of debt will have to pay back the eventual new owner of SVB, and potentially would be opening themselves up to new loan terms.

    With this in mind, let’s look at the Southern California tech firms that still have money tied up with SVB, and how that might affect their operations as the floundering bank searches for a bailout.

    Suiteness

    Walnut-based Suitness makes an app for people to book adjoining hotel rooms or suites. It took debt financing from SVB and paid it off last year, founder Kyle Killion said.

    But, Killion said he almost wished they had been a bit less financially responsible: “We could have gotten an even better deal if we had waited” to pay off the SVB debt, he told me. “If we had waited the debt would be sold off to another bank at a discount and we would need to pay them [and] that new bank’s cost-basis would be lower because of the discount.”

    In addition to SVB, Suiteness has also taken funding from Y Combinator and counts OpenAI founder Sam Altman as a board member and investor. Killion said that despite the current turmoil, his company had a good experience lending from the embattled bank. “We did get a very generous deal from SVB,” he said.

    Pathmatics

    Pathmatics is now part of app data firm SensorTower, but before itsMay 2021 buyout, the Santa Monica-based mobile ad analytics company raised debt funding from SVB. Gabe Gottlieb founded Pathmatics and served as its CEO for nearly 11 years before the buyout, and he is now Sensor Tower’s chief strategy officer.

    Gottlieb said Pathmatics found SVB after its series A round. He said Pathmatics paid off its SVB debt before the acquisition and noted if it weren’t for the closing, he’d bank with SVB again. “I feel like we got a pretty good deal,” Gottlieb told me, adding it was a “low interest rate in absolute terms for a startup that was still very much in the growth phase.”

    The founder also added, “I always felt like they had top-notch people working there [and] I’m really sad to see what has happened to them as they were an important part of literally generations of startups’ success.

    EcoSense

    In the last several years EcoSense has bought out a number of rival LED makers, including Lumium Lighting in January 2019 andSoraa in March 2020. The LED luminaire company raised a debt financing round from SVB in late June 2020, according to PitchBook Data. EcoSense launched in 2009 and is now owned by Korrus, a lighting company based in Chinatown.

    Fulcrum Microsystems

    A semiconductor company based in Calabasas, Fulcrum Microsystems raisednearly $17 million from investors including SVB Capital back in March 2007. The company was lateracquired by chip-maker Intel in July 2011 for an undisclosed sum. Fulcrum’s tech mainly powers Ethernet switches for data centers, and Intel’s buy gave it a valuable direct supplier to power its data centers across the globe.

    HealthTap

    Per Pitchbook, Sunnyvale-based virtual doctor appointment app HealthTap raised debt financing from SVB in April 2020. SVB was biotech-focused and rana healthtech investment banking division alongside providing debt rounds to healthtech companies in California.

    Last November, HealthTaplinked with Samsung to bring its Eval360 tech – which lets doctors conduct virtual medical exams – to develop software that would allow people to get those virtual evaluations through their Samsung Smart TVs in the future.

    Kandji

    ThisSan Diego-based company builds a device management software for IT teams using Apple products. It raised $60 million from investors including SVB Capital in March 2021. Less than a year later, itraised another $100 million, also including SVB. In addition to SVB, Kandji is backed by VC firm Greycroft, which has an Arts District office, and Manhattan Beach-based B Capital. Kandji has raised nearly $90 million since its 2018 launch.

    Shield AI

    San Diego-basedShield AI is trying to build Hivemind, the world’s first artificial intelligence pilot to power autonomous planes. SVB backed the company in December 2022, joining Shield AI’s$225 million Series E round. SVB also invested in its $22 million Series B round in April 2019. Shield AI has raised $575 million since it launched in 2015, and is also backed by Venice-based Riot Ventures.Boeing recently partnered with Shield AI to research unmanned flight technologies for the U.S. Air Force.

    Disclosure: SVB has been a sponsor of dot.LA events and recently had an article published on the site as part of a paid partnership agreement.

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